To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. I can't seem to find them. Tee and Approach Shots! GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. I was advised to switched to the 8 bounce as my impact is shallower than when I was previously fitted for my SM8s. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400. Ball Speed 176.38 The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] Cobra Aerospeed 3W Kai'Li White They are clean and contemporary. [/quote] Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Ping Glide 2.0 (54) DG S400 TI As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] The next table uses the approach distances from the previous and calculates the proximity to hole. 913 HD I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364408786' post='6708081'] And also wondering how LPGA fits into this chart. However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. <>stream In 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! For more All too many golfers go to the course and hit every shot in the hope its the best shot theyve ever hit. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5 (46), Project X 120 6.0 (52-60), Putter: Scotty Cameron 009 And for those golfers looking to make more substantial improvements to their game, the TrackMan Combine provides a roadmap for the improvement journey and accurate, immediate feedback at all checkpoints / stops along the way. How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. [/quote] The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Do you suppose my distance is bs? The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. a lower loft) or a touch weaker (i.e. What Irons Do the Pros Use? I don't play professional golf. Exactly, I had the same perception in mind too. Top 100 Player Analysis, drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players, How Do Pros Hit the Ball So Far? You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. While golf has given Justin a career he thoroughly enjoys, he knows the life lessons golf can provide. One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Whats the proportion of shots wide of the mark by say 80 feet or more (or some width for which there is data) 2. Check out the actual averages from the PGA Tour for the entire year: Now this is not to say that a tour player cant ramp it up another gear if they felt like showing off. The consistency of impact through the sand was staggering, I seemed to take the exact same amount of sand and impact location every time. Jordan Spieth WITB 2022 (September) GolfWRX The 58 is versatile in shot options and with the change of grind from D to M I had an increase in performance. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. 2 were over 320. I'm BARELY 250 off the tee, but I will mop the floor with most from 125 in Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Wedges: Cobra Trusty Rusty (50, 55), Tour Trusty (60) Through such initiatives as the Justin Thomas Youth of the Year Leadership Academy with the Boys & Girls Club of Kentuckiana, USA Cares and the First Tee, Justin is committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. Top 100 Player Analysis. [/quote] [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] On average pros drive the ball a total of 296.6 yards (yds) according to official PGA Shotlink data. Your shot versatility is obtained by a comprehensive 23 head options in different lofts, grinds and bounces. My average driving distance is 240 but IF I can make a shot in the sweet spot (Stars Aligned after a long Prayer) I can go 290 to 300 measured on the golf course. Does anyone know any of Tiger Woods Trackman data either pitching, irons, 3woods or driver? why you did not work that out or your friends did not suggest it I dont know. Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. Smash Factor 1.475 It has to do with my ability. For those of you interested in how these averages compare to individual pros we have listed in the table below the average stock carry yardages for a selection of the top pros when it comes to how far they hit their driver. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. me too! Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Your email address will not be published. Almost every post I read on the internet the guys say they are swinging 125 mph. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Their drives seem to always go miles and I dont know about you but Im always checking myself to think whether I indeed heard the commentator correctly that they are actually hitting that high an iron for that 200+ yard approach shot. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] And that was 12 years ago. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 85 S, Irons: Callaway Apex Forged (2021) (4-PW) Thanks. Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. get up and down 3 out of the 5 times you miss the green makes all the difference. Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. TrackMan - Did you see Justin Thomas' TrackMan numbers? . [b]Tiger Woods[/b] I often feel articles such as this are skewed. Srixon WG-706 56 w/ Nippon Modus Prototype C10 S I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] That's what I think. I would have guessed #1 because of the "low spin" mantra, even though the launch is a touch low. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] That smash factor surprises me a bit. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. With all the new technology that is now available in Drivers since this article came out, do you plan on updating the information. The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. Spin Rate 2,645.8 [/quote] Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. He is giving up 30 yards of total distance off the tee, which makes his approach shots more difficult. I play from the whites if it is more of a difficult or bigger course. Its a whole different story. Carry Distance 302.9 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. The following graph shows a plot of the AMAs shots from 160 yards. Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. By funding programming and fulfilling requests of those in need, they are committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Club Head Speed 119.55 What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. [/quote] Grip: SuperStroke Traxion Flatso 1.0. WebPGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. For example, based on the average club speed of the AMA (93.4 mph) he should be able to hit his driver 255 yards (assuming certain ground conditions). 19* SLDR Resuce // Speeder 9.3s I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel. First of all, I would always encourage any golfer to get custom fitted for Titleist Vokey wedges because the loft/bounce/grind chart can be very confusing. I know his swing speed with driver is up around 120mph but thats all they seem to show on tv. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. Im a baseball coach who plays golf when I can. It is all about the short game I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. Skill Triumphs Over All! Im your AMA although Im trending down. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI When it comes to looking at how far the pros hit their wedges the stock yardage they hit each club is again obviously only one of the multiple yardages they can hit the most versatile clubs in any players golf bag. Mack Made Custom Blade. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). I blame it on TV coverage. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. Victoria II. Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Club head speed is around 90 MPH giving me a distance of 214 yrds. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. [/quote] This way the material is removed from the face and not spread out which means the grooves are sharper and weight isn't dispersed. TrackMan Learn how your comment data is processed. And that is for the simple reason that pros will hit all manner of a variety of different shots with their irons, especially for their approach shots, and as such, they will hit the same iron a variety of different distances. 8.5* Tour Issue 07 Burner // PL Red 65x Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. For example while one pros gap wedge may be 50 another may choose 53 or even 54 for that same gap wedge club and with such a difference in lofts it becomes very difficult to compare with any meaning how far the pros hit the same-named wedge. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. It's the short game. It sounds like Sophie has found her new fairway wood Titleist's brand new fairway model is seriously hot, New HydraZip face provides 43% more spin in wet conditions. More photos from the event here. Open navigation menu. Too many people walking around either who hit one drive at 300 a round and the rest slice 100 yards that only go 200 straight trying to tell people how great they are at golf when in reality they take like 6 mulligans a round or guys that are actually really good think that they are the norm when in reality they are a small minority and golf would not even exist if it were not for guys like me . My handicap is 24, but my driving (swing) works well. Ive tried lots of different woods shafts and lengths but seem to reach a ceiling on distance. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. It's good for some laughs. When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. TrackMan - Have a look at Justin Thomas' swing and | Facebook When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. [/quote] Howarth Golf Performance Studio | Facebook They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. Very unfortunately most of us are too busy with other things we need to do. Titleist 906F4 13.5* Fuji Rombax 8Z08 X Clear editor. The ball shoots from the face and you lose the control of the ball. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. [/quote] Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Unless of course it's short enough to hit the 3 wood or driver at the green. Justin credits his success on the PGA TOUR to a childhood full of direction, support, and love. Justin Thomas Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. Please have a look at the TrackMan locator at this link; https://mytrackman.com/public/locator, Kind regards Niklas Bergdahl Support Manager. There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. Launch Angle 11.28 Just would be interesting to see. also his AoD on the stinger. I don't measure my driver distance. Paste as plain text instead, Id estimate the average tour player will hit their basic solid drive between 295-310 under neutral conditions. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. I am a 35 year old AMA at a 15. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! 5 0 obj That's what I think. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. [/quote] Please have a look at this video about Smash Factor. I think you wish you hit it further. Distance to Apex 195.9 Lol, so true.. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. On average PGA pros hit a 3-iron a carry distance the distance from strike to point of ground impact of 217 yards. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. My experience suggests that this is true. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] :-). Anyone remember young Guan the 14 year old at Augusta he was so small he could only drive it 250 but did alright. I know what you are thinking, there is a lot that goes into making a wedge. Club Head Speed 119.55 The AMA has a reported handicap of 14 or 15. Many golfers save some money and buy the SM8s and others will upgrade from SM7s to SM9s. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] Obviously not. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. I carry my 8 iron about 158 yards when Im hitting it good (see above). I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. Fan Mail Justin Thomas the TrackMan numbers below. Jon has proven that he is able to compete at the Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: endobj TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. [quote name='J.W.' Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. On average PGA Tour pros hit a 3-wood a carry distance of 249 yards. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] This is something Butch Harmon has been trying to get Danielle Kang to do for a few years because it simplifies the shot and you can go at the flag more. Launch Angle 11.28 I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. Mine isnt that much higher and i hit driver 275 yards. I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached Justin Thomas' Distances - Tour Talk - GolfWRX Im a 9 handicap wanting to get into the low single digits. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Instead, its mostly situational. The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. [url="http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php"]http://www.rotaryswinch-monitor.php[/url] Desired launch angle, spin rates change based on driver speed. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). What a great read with invaluable data and information. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. All rights reserved. But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Especially the average driving distance data. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 Does Trackman update this data each year? Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. See how The Honda Classic Justin - Michael Cooney Golf WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. Spin: 3811. Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. And a good part of the reason for that is the average golfer often watches with wonder as the best players on the PGA GolfingFocus.com was created simply as a place to allow us to try and find answers to common golfing questions asked, and problems faced, by all standards of golfer. I have the occasional outlier above 250 but thats rare. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. They were consistently breaking 80 if not the mid 70s and almost every time hit their drives relatively straight and 275 to over 300 yards without a problem and doing it from the blue or blacks . Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) He is 180 ball speed off the driver with outstanding launch numbers. Those numbers seem about right. Not uncommon these days for elite swing speed I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. Hi I have always had an out to in swing until recent. The title would be just as useful as well. Finally the bunker shot, this is where I feel Vokey really stand out and help my game. So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. *Normalized data was used to calculate approach shot distances. I feel like Seve in the sand these days which is never a bad thing. Maybe for one swing he got there. This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. I appreciate that. I can hit the ball a long ways, that doesn't make me full of bs. Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) In the lower lofted wedges (46-52) at address the club sits squarer, the leading edge looks to be straighter and less rounded at the top of the toe. Looking at how far pros hit their irons is a much easier task these days due to all the tracking technology that exists however it still does not make it an exact science. The data results given in this article are completely skewed. The respective games the AMA and professional golfers play today are two entirely separate entities and should be treated as such.
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