The article highlights the horrors that happened, The extent of which is nightmarish. It is said that the first family of Black were converted to Christianity by Paulinus, the head of the family being Prefect of Lincoln, about 628. American comedian, political commentator, and television host William Maher is one of the most well-known Mahers. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. In the sixteen hundreds EVERYONE came as indentured servants including Africans. Black people dont think or worry about slavery. That Slavery is colour blind but profit centred. Horrific story, and the things the Irish went through shouldnt be forgotten. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. I do so only under protest. It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. The master, overseer, slave driver and all of their male relatives or any white male visiting a plantation for business purposes could access any black woman and rape her. Famous Martins include musician Chris Martin of Coldplay, and actors Steve Martin and Dean Martin. For those of you keen to dig a little deeper into your roots, we suggest you check out ancestry.com! I wish the writer had included some references. It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. If the Irish were the easiest way to fill the positions needed to produce agricultural quotas then they would be used. However, let me respond. There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. Weird! Please stop, bad mouthing people, that sacrifice their time to look through many books to put stories together in order to bring us something new. A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. Sell whatever lies you like, but if you think the Irish were not deeply involved in some of the fiercest fighting of The Civil War (for both sides), then why would any other opinion you hold be deemed worthy of merit? Sure the law condemned them, but do they have any less right to their heritage than a White person? In fact, O'Dubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname O'Doyle. My entire family ancestry is from the island of Montserrat. Black Surname Meaning Black is a Scottish surname primarily. Am Afro-American. When Blacks succeeded in creating wealth and communities that allowed Blacks to have good lives, they were systematically destroyed by angry envious bigoted white people of every background including Irish. The theory that the "Black Irish" are descendants of any small foreign group that integrated with the Irish and survived is unlikely. Some people wallow in the past and stay the victim. O'Connell 26. Your email address will not be published. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#Black_Irish Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". Today black people are assimilated into western culture, et slavery hasnt ended. Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. We should remember this and not let one injustice isnt used to counter the other. ack sure the English were only RAPEING women and children for 800 years talking are homes are lands hanging us for are religion we were slaves to the English for years ack and sure only 1 million people died of starvation watching there kids dieing one by one resorting to poor houses were you worked for food. Smith 6. From Irish Deoradhin meaning "descendant of Deoradhn", where Deoradhn is a given name meaning "exile, wanderer". Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. They were dictators and if they felt it to their advantage theyd sell off members of their own tribe and simply call it their right as ruler. Children sent north. Kelly (46480) 3. The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. Sisters founded orders if nuns. Although they did suffer as the Africans, they were also afforded certain privileges not afforded to African slaves. I never learned the whole story of how though unrelated, both husbands had the same Irish surname. But, the tone of the article seemed to suggest that Blacks should not feel like they have been singled out bullied because the Irish was also subjected to indentured servitude or slavery. In fact, many of today's common Irish names have origins in Gaelic, Celtic, or Norse languages. That is really a big difference between being a black slave compare to other slaves who was really indenture slaves. Since their skin looked like their masters skin did they benefit from any type privilege- no matter how small? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. America was named after another so-called white man by the name of Amerigo Vespuci. That is sooooo stupid. Unless you dont feel theres any systematic oppression, which if you take some time studying the oppression of Catholics in Ireland youd understand. Thats the type of history that should be taught in schools. The large wave of Irish immigrants to the US in the 19th century has no direct lineage with the Barbados group, were granted the status of whiteness very early, and were actively involved in violent attacks on Blacks, Asians and other ethnic groups competing for jobs. Fourth, historically the highest amount of interethnic marriage between two ethnic groups post civil war are Irish and African. It seems by your statements that Whites are the only skin color capable of being bigots, slave traders/owners, and oppressors. Most planters were multimilionaires by todays standards so purchasing thousands of enslaved blacks every 5 years to replaced the thousands who died from starvation, dehydration, disease, exposure, infection, brutality, suicide and mutilation was a minor expense. How dare you compare 100,000 indentured servants and criminals to the kidnapping of 12.5 million people? The truth is, you are an Israelite. I am in my late 40s. As far as Irish slaves being treated worse than African slaves, not true. We dont really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. Regarding #3 who was making a dare? This then started a huge trade as the US opened up as a new world demanding labour. Moore 21. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. They owned the land in Ireland too where Catholic Irish worked on their lands. Theyll come up with terms like Indentured Servants to describe what occurred to the Irish. Even to this day many still believe that Irish slavery only affected a few thousands. I have never heard of these Irish. Though bigotry definitely had its part to play, the root of the issue, was nevertheless mostly about making a profit at the expense and exploitation of these slaves. I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. Irish version of McFadden = MacPidn, Irish version of McDonald = MacDhmhnaill. Jim Crow laws where formulated to keep Blacks in their place, not the Irish. Additionally, Ireland had its own religion, law code, alphabet, and even a style of dress. Famous Healys include musicians Matt Healey and Una Healey. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. The slaves that came over from Ireland where already black. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. This is a good example of the saying this is a load of _______ (insert rude word or expletive). You did not cite any sources and Id love to research even further. Well, human enough to retain their own name. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window). Slavery is still happening today and not prevailing with just Blacks. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. We are Irish from the north of Ireland. Perhaps this is were we can find common ground and open the conversation of race relations. Heres a case for you to review (take your time): Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves: Law Case, Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves. I am tired of the Irish and their historical lies!!!!! If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. And why so many Georgians have stories about helping that White boy run to the mountains. ^ this. http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/traditional/names/first/dudley.shtm, The name Dudley in Ireland is often of immigrant origin having been introduced into Ulster Province by settlers from England and Scotland, especially during the seventeenth century. But animals of higher value are often treated better than less. Irish actress Katie McGrath is one of the most famous McGraths. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. You did not do it, I did not do it, you did not go through it, and I did not go through it, you are shaped more by the world around you now, and I am shaped more by the world around me now. For those of you wondering which Irish family names are most-popular today, your wait is finally over! Africa was named after a so-called white man by the name of Scipio Africanus. I have a hard time following the discussion here, but I have made many replies. The only major distinction was that these slaves were not being exported outside of their continent likened unto cargo as they were in the African Slave trade. Most blacks who lived on plantations did not have last names. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Working is a choice and they get paid for their work. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. Unless you know more about your name I would assume it association with immigrant Scottish planters and settlers of Northern Ireland, but it could have been adopted by some of the natives. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. But, are we talking about African slavery? Just dont take my stuff from me!! Or, Is what happened to the Irish just a mere part of what happens to all, and to any of the different nations of men who are affected by the wicked works of the heathen? When did the Irish get declared human? It did not begin that way even for Blacks/Africans. Thank you for this information. This slave trade, and the bigotry in the past and now, is very complicated issues; dont oversimplify them by making it an issue of Black vs White. Remember England was also enslaved by the Romans. So, f**ck the traitorous bastards. Ireland and its culture are known world-over. Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. If you look at it carefully enough, you will see how the Irish escaped their persecution and went into the hills to make their own way, and still do. The Irish were never slaves, they were indentured servants. Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. What do we see here? Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? American soccer player Brian Mullan is one of the most famous people with the surname Mullan. Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. Was that part of their original contract? When they came to America they where made to take the last name of the slave owner. T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. To reiterate; were talking about the entire South American continent. Black slaves were the alternatives because they could bear these conditions, and also knew farming techniques which they carried with them to the New World. The oldest known Irish surname is OClery (O Cleirigh in Gaelic). So ledgers are a great place to start, but the the ending point. The numbers and the periods have also been exaggerated to make the act look gross and longer. The Irish language was systematically eliminated in Ireland until the resurgence in the 1920s. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. One of the most famous Thompsons is actress Emma Thompson. Irish were indentured servants, never slaves. Its a shame that Whites and Blacks who were both subjected to British Imperialism have such trouble relating to each other because of the culturally enforced color-lines weve all be assimilated into. Dingle is English but common in Ireland. Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. All the people who were desperately trying to find something or someone to debunk irish slavery never looked at his credentials lol ..Liam hogan again isnt a irish historian, he is a self taught librarian,yet he is on 20 some odd websites and 30 some odd blogs lol hahahaha like are u guys serious????? There is a prevailing debate amongst the commentators that leaves me with strong feelings of indignation. This reveals another cruel and inhumane treatment of the human family towards each other. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. Keeping their Irish surnames would help to differentiate the two groups. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign cultures. This is so true, Africans have claimed slavery as their own. If they existed they were unenforceable because Irish did not have to change their race to blend in and be accepted. There were school busses, city busses in which I stood my ground my grandmother let me be she was not of color ,but she wasnt white nor racist.. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. The most famous people with the surname Hayes were Rutherford B. Hayes, the 19th president of the United States, and retired basketball player Elvin Hayes. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. Irish family names can tell stories, too. Thanks for your research. But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. Many have also used the term to describe Irish immigrants who settled in the West Indies or African countries. Like the Vikings, they shared similar dark intentions to rule the country, the native Irish people, and colonise the land. Adam and Eve are my ancestors as well as yours DNA has proven that we all tie to the original humans they lived in Africa. [8]The Black Male Incarceration Problem is Real and Catastrophic Huffington Post. First, there was intermarriage in early America before slavery. One last point, as a professor in irish studies.here are some accredited sources on irish slavery, you shouldnt get your sources from Wikipedia or any other non accredited website!!!!!! The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. Then after a time the law change and blacks were considered chattel so therefore were unable to buy their freedom. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts. One of the most famous Duffys is rock musician Billy Duffy. However it is thought to refer to invaders throughout Irish history. The native Irish spoke Gaelic. The Irish faced discrimination for being ethnically Irish and being Catholic but there was no widespread allowance to murder an indentured servant or an Irishman as there was for black slaves. Donohue Irish. Leo Whelan was an acclaimed Irish portrait painter. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. Early Origins of the Black family. I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. go and read about cromwell in ireland. Very few are disputing that the British were horrific to the Irish, and to some extent, the Scottish as well. They are also from Donegal and Roscommon. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Kelly 3. And they did this systemically and repeatedly. Evidence of last names in Ireland appears from around the early 900s, making it one of the first places in Europe to adopt hereditary surnames. The defeat of the Vikings at the Battle of Clontarf in the year 1014 by Brian Boru marked the end of the struggle with the invaders and saw the subsequent integration of the Vikings into Irish society. What is there for any of you to gain by denying the atrocity of the abuse of the Irish? My grandmother was an indentured servant who came over here from Ireland to work with an English family later on my grandfather saw her or met her and decided to purchase her freedom from that English family so she so she was actually a slave / indentured servant herself, I was under the impressionthat the Irish came to America as indenture slaves. Our ppl fled into west and central Africa (Khem aka Ham) after Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70 CE. Famous people with the surname Connolly include comedian Billy Connolly and musician Brian Connolly. The Irish were indentured servants, similar to Africans in the 1600s. I am a history teacher and Id like to provide my students with good primary and secondary sources. Moonshine? Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. 7. Im just now learning the depth of how horrible Irish slavery was. The Black Irish - what are the truths and what are the myths? Have you met Jesus . Actresses Kerrie Keane and Dolores Keane, as well as football manager Roy Keane, are three of the most famous Keanes. We need to revisit the discussion from a fresh perspective. So incredibly well said and so true. British actress and screenwriter Emer Kenny is one of the most well-known Kennys. After the end of the atlantic slave trade ended in the early 19th century, breeding was encouraged, and more fertile women were preferred over non birthing prolific women. There were no Irish slaves in what is now America. They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. Slavery was not only their chief concern but certainly serves as a great example. People, do your google search before you believe nonsense. People who were no longer allowed to speak their own language, practice their own religion, marry who they want to marry, raped, murdered, separated and had absolutely no control over their lives for over 250 years?
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