Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. I forgave him before he changed. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. 6. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. I dont see how. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? 24. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. 54. 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If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. What sorrow awaits you! 44. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Its the inspired word of God. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) 19 How blind! God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. We had no money.. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. Again its too legalistic. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? This is very good. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Only the KJV will be used in this group; If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. Thanks for reading! 26. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among Dont throw your pearls to pigs! WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. Do you find them so humorous ? The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. I dont know what Daves intentions were. God forgave my husband through Christ. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. WebOur Mission. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? I have no opinion on this I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. WebGetting to it. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. 16. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. God forgave because Jesus saved. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Its pure manipulation. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). 52. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. For they dont practice what they teach. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. 55. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. God Bless. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. I did learn a lot. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child 34. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. You got me I am an IFB college grad. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! For example, #54. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. Hypocrites! Some of these are humorous and right on the money. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Sons of vipers! I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! 33 Snakes! The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. Christ suffered and If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. See if you recognize any. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. Some of these are very much right on the money. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. 8. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 10. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. 12. 49. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. If I have misunderstood I apologize. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. 1 John 1:9 We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. We ARE the church my friend! 28. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. I love this!! Praise the lord for giving it to us. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. 19:13-15. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Its method of operation is subversive. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. We even have TWO. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. 2. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. Yes, I remember that. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. Thats sweet. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Hypocrites! 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Stil fit. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. What a stupid thing to say. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us 14. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. *gasp* Just kidding, just kiddingwe at least look for Baptist on the sign so were good . IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists?
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